tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post2143977741426008093..comments2024-03-06T13:50:29.718+05:30Comments on E's flat, ah's flat too: PurismRahul Siddharthanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04809667965184094636noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-44181768049089499232019-10-11T23:26:52.990+05:302019-10-11T23:26:52.990+05:30Just happened to find this very interesting post o...Just happened to find this very interesting post only now after 10 years! Nevertheless, my question...<br /><br /> Interpretations change which makes the music ever fresh to the listeners. <br /><br /><br />If Carnatic music strictly adheres to non chromatic music notes, is grahabheda (shifting the adhaara shadjam) acceptable, if so to what level?<br /><br />- SrikanthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-91406442128402048802012-01-31T17:37:52.244+05:302012-01-31T17:37:52.244+05:30This is a really cool website. Great job, the comm...This is a really cool website. Great job, the comments are really insightful.Sign Designhttp://www.valleysigninstallation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-23636749618818699432012-01-20T16:23:53.081+05:302012-01-20T16:23:53.081+05:30I loved you post because if I hadn't read '...I loved you post because if I hadn't read 'Bolesno Grinje', I would have been misled. You are so right in all the points you raised. staggered was cruelty masqueraded as tradition.Piano Teacher belmont cahttp://www.anneliesemessnermusicstudio.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-62564109125643362862011-02-06T20:16:12.839+05:302011-02-06T20:16:12.839+05:30In essence, the Harmonium, being equi-tempered can...In essence, the Harmonium, being equi-tempered cannot produce "harmonic notes" like the Rishabha (9/8), or Gandhara (5/4) and even the Panchama (3/2). These are mere examples. While tuning a tambura, we ensure that the panchama is accoustically tuned in such a way that it is "harmonic" and produces no discordant doppler waves. On the other hand, in a keyboard or harmonium, the panchama is never equal to 3/2 of the shadja's frequency and is always discordant.<br />While the Europeans presumed that the flattening/sharpening of notes in the equitempered scale will not be noticeable in polyphonic recitals, the same is not true for Indian Music, which essentially is based on the adhara shadja (reference note).<br />The possible detriment: By constantly using the harmonium and keyboard, successive generations may fail to appreciate the pleasant effect caused by the Panchama produced by Pure intonation (3/2). There is also a possibility that future generations may become tone-deaf to micro-tones and also to notes of just or pure intonation. That will spell the doom for Indian Music, which is least wanted by several right-minded Indian Musicians and musicologists. In order to preserve our cultural heritage and thus stand true to the "Indian Pledge", we need to be aware of the potential hazards caused to Indian Music by the equi-tempered scale. Already, many youngsters are unable to differentiate between the 22 shrutis. Should we allow this to continue? If not, then the use of instruments tuned with equi-tempered notes should be rightly discouraged.Neelesh Viswanathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16277266500456555957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-87369557665334623472010-05-17T22:34:57.665+05:302010-05-17T22:34:57.665+05:30Hey Rahul, I agree with you. We have moral police,...Hey Rahul, I agree with you. We have moral police, cultural police and now aesthetics police. Krishna should interpret music as he things fit and leave the rest to the audience. Kadri and his audience will decide what they make of carnatic on Sax. <br />SriramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-71653524936281888152010-02-07T12:33:46.654+05:302010-02-07T12:33:46.654+05:30Wonderful post!Cant really comment on it as I am n...Wonderful post!Cant really comment on it as I am not qualified. But whatever that can enrich music.. its welcome!Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18338566534167967706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-31867940436364841052009-12-29T22:17:04.304+05:302009-12-29T22:17:04.304+05:30Rahul,
That is an escape. May be that you donot h...Rahul,<br /><br />That is an escape. May be that you donot have an explanation.<br />Or sorry if you are busy. good luckrajagopalannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-19866777732008784202009-12-29T21:39:29.661+05:302009-12-29T21:39:29.661+05:30Mercury - thanks for the comment. I think music (...Mercury - thanks for the comment. I think music (and other forms of art) should not be only for the cognoscenti. I myself am not musically educated and have only picked up a few things here and there. Additional knowledge helps you appreciate the nuances and details, but shouldn't be required, and certainly shouldn't stop you appreciating other ideas. Glad you enjoy Carnatic music now. <br /><br />Rajagopalan - thanks for finding me surprisingly clear. I'm afraid I can't return the compliment. What are you saying?<br /><br />km - feel free to prolong it. (The thread seems to have woken up today all of a sudden -- I suppose someone somewhere linked to it.)Rahul Siddharthanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809667965184094636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-59137584330745905772009-12-29T21:29:29.204+05:302009-12-29T21:29:29.204+05:30Drat.
Looks like I missed out on another good th...Drat. <br /><br />Looks like I missed out on another good thread.kmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040339235134145847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-853778531436726912009-12-29T19:15:33.639+05:302009-12-29T19:15:33.639+05:301. You seem to support Krishna's purist view. ...1. You seem to support Krishna's purist view. <br />2. And you seem to support Anil's approach which is orthogonal to the purist discussion, is more about a concert format like fusion. <br />3. And TMK has not directly hit on Anil approach. And there is no conflcit between anils concert approach and TMK's purist thinking because gurucharan will be there to sing the gamakas. <br /><br />Any ideal , undiluted purist view ( or if it is titled as purist view by any CM concerned person ) on a focussed topic like CM instruments , can be no better than this. So why you look for legitimacy from TMK is not clear. Kadri is indirectly hit (assuming) , you seem to take pity on him, you are trying to clarify/glorify his capacity, and target TMK.... You seem to be biased with kadri for reasons known only to you. These are just my thoughts.<br /><br />But a very clear writeup, surprised at your technical clarity. conclusion is unclear.rajagopalannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-64112539803177272332009-12-29T15:16:30.820+05:302009-12-29T15:16:30.820+05:30I loved this post. It was illuminating. I read T. ...I loved this post. It was illuminating. I read T. M Krishna's article the other day. But not being very exposed to carnatic music, I really didn't have much of an opinion on what he was saying. <br /><br />The way you have put it, though.. is interesting and thought provoking. I've grown up listening to the blues and grew into jazz eventually like a natural progression and in teenage fashion thought carnatic music was awful and for the oldies. Mercifully, time has changed and broadened the mind. And last year, for the first time, I attended the margazhi concerts in madras(and I went to about thirty with all the zeal of a fresh convert)- including twice to kadri gopalnath's (whose music I did not like). <br /><br />To someone who does not know a thing about musical theory, I think the thing that counts is how an instrument lends itself to the mood of a piece.. does it draw all the attention to itself? can it meld in with the rest when it needs to? does it take away from the intricasies of the composition (raaga) - To me, the saxophone did. Certainly when Mr. Gopalnath was playing it. It sounded strange! <br /><br />But on the other hand, I have heard a guitarist friend play a raaga on his guitar, and it was beautiful, and very 'carnatic' ... <br /><br />I have also heard Anil srinivasan several times both alone and with Sikkil Gurucharan in this past year, and I have to say that some times it sounds lovely and sometimes not. I don't know how to put it more specifically than that, but it just doesn't 'go' with some pieces, his piano. <br /><br /><br />But I suppose then, that a musician's point of view is entirely different.. and perhaps in the interest of expanding horizons, experimenting is a wonderful (and necessary)thing... And Mr. Gopalnath, whether one personally likes his music and style or not, is doing something important for carnatic music - which is, not allowing it to stagnate.Mercuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15579662714228176010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-21134041742251493512009-12-29T07:28:18.214+05:302009-12-29T07:28:18.214+05:30ws - (sorry for late reply) No, I haven't hear...ws - (sorry for late reply) No, I haven't heard "Raw Materials", but the Iyer/Mahanthappa that I have heard was "straight jazz", not "world music". As I understand "sheets of sound" it is Coltrane's style of rapid playing (as in Giant Steps", and it's not so much that he can bend notes as that he doesn't have to -- the ear blurs them together (just as Shivkumar's fast gat passages are often more convincing than his alaps). Will check out Pine.Rahul Siddharthanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809667965184094636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3112258799568696095.post-59769120514487845442009-12-27T05:25:44.489+05:302009-12-27T05:25:44.489+05:30Have you heard "Raw Materials" by Iyer a...Have you heard "Raw Materials" by Iyer and Mahanthappa. I thought it was one of the best jazz/world cds of recent date. Also, it is true that one cannot bend notes on a sax, but Coltrane's sheets-of-sound concept comes very very close. So maybe Krishna has not heard much Coltrane. For a more recent application of this sheets-of-sound concept, check out British saxophonist Courtney Pine's "Modern Day Jazz Stories". Pine is a true innovator.wildflower seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524758486095224055noreply@blogger.com